Ted Nugent
 

Well I see the scuzzbucket has gotten popped for poaching, AGAIN!!!!!
I do realize that sometimes there comes a time you might have to take a animal to feed your family, doen't make it any less illegal....but it's for food in hungry bellies.................
but the nuge seems to have habit of doing it for ratings of his TV show...just flat dispicable...there IS NO excuse for what he did, he's did at least two time that I know of!! wonder how many time he did it and din't get caught !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!once a poacher always a poacher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

With his money. He doesn't have to hunt for food.

I always wondered how he could kill so many deer?

I agree with finnbear,i don't see where he's any asset to hunting or the second amendment, just because he's a self proclaimed advocate.

he also is a advocate of high fence hunting actually has a few hunts U can hunt with him in them!!!!

he should have got nailed here in sd for pheasant hunting in the state while his hunting privleges were revolked in another state but the good old south dakota politics let him wiggle out of that one.

The saga continues.....let's hear more....maybe folks will start to see him for what he really is!!!!

i stated on a different forum that is covering this same subject that " His ignorance is comparable to that of Gen. Custer". And we all know how custer ended.

I have a hard time throwing old uncle ted completely under the bus because it's my opionion we need everyone on our side that we can get. That being said i wish he would straighten his act up a bit!

While Im not the biggest fan of Nugent, he did kinda get a crappy deal on this one. Heres an article about the situation:

http://www.adn.com/2012/04/20/243329...egal-bear.html

How about this one?

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/08/1...h-11-deer.html

Lifted this from the article.

Sorry, but ignorance of the law is no excuse. Especially for a guy who does this for a living. It also doesn't matter if you think a hunting law is stupid. You still have to obey it.

Never have cared for Ted. Most overrated human being in the history of this country if you ask me. About 90% of the animals he kills each year are in a pen at the kind of place where the animals run to-wards the sound of a truck coming because they think it's feeding time.

Coming from the musical side of things (I too am a rock 'n roll guitar player - but I'm not famous), I know all about Ted Nugent.

Ted claims that during his days with the band The Amboy Dukes, he had no idea what they were talking about, regarding the 1968 song "Journey To The Center Of Your Mind". All the while, the record album cover had images of bongs, pipes, hookas, and other assorted drug paraphernalia on it.

Ted somehow, someway, convinced a Hawaiian couple to let him become a guardian of their 14 year old daughter named Pele, and Ted soon married the young girl.

...And now for the worst: During the beginnings of Vietnam, Ted got served with a draft notice. He decided to go to extreme measures, and physically stayed in the same pair of blue jeans, never once taking them off or unzipping them to answer nature's call. That's right... He actually -and quite disgustingly- urinated and defecated in the same pair of blue jeans for days on end. When it was time for him to report to the draft board for his physical, they threw him out, declared him a homeless bum, and listed him as "4F". ....SICK!!! :eek2:

Actually it was a 1-Y deferment!!!! but he is a draft dodger also ...but with this being a hunting forum and many here idolize hime I only brought up the hunting issues!!!
LIke I say he got caught teice ...how many times has he got away with it in the name of TV show RATINGS????

Second Amendment ally. ( BUT A (dirtbag) )

I believe arroganse got Custer in trouble. However, it still applies.

Don't like his music and don't like his game. Trailer trash with money still makes him trailer trash.

Just the facts! Ted Nugent is NOT an advocate for me, I am my own advocate. Nor is he a voice for me, I have my OWN voice. Please if you must judge my hunting lifestyle and those who, like me enjoy pursuing a life in the wild, judge me on my own words, actions and deeds! Ted Nugent is a representative for what NOT to do, say and conduct one's self. A poster child for all things LAME!

Bingo!! i prefer to call it industrial strength dumb.

I agree!!!

I for 1 like the guy. The california deal I thought he was hunting with an outfitter. Shouldn't the outfitter be responsible for letting his hunters know the rules?

The alaskan bear hunt sounds like he was hunting with friends and not an outfitter. I give the guy credit for owning up to the law and paying the fine.

Should people know the laws of where they are hunting? yea. But some of these regs are pages upon pages long. I give this guy a pass on this one. Think about it, he has to much to loose by going around poaching animals and he put it on tv.

No! Otherwise the outfitter would get the charges. The hunter should always know the laws in all the states he hunts.

Don't U have to have a guide in alaska to hunt bear?? I think if U check into it locals can act as guides for friends and family..but the lacals should have known the rules....and as for the California thing he was in the wrong and I bet he knew he was!!!
So he should get a by because he fessed up??? REALLY???? Do U ever wonder how some guys get so many animals in the record books?? A few years back a father and son were busted for killing deer in yellowstone on further investigation it was confirmed that they poached most of their "trophys"....I would say the nuge is in the same boat!!!! How else ya figger he keeps his TV ratings up??? it ain't by not killin animals or killin small animals!!!! just sayin!!!!!! once a poacher always a poacher

Yet the NRA loves this guy. Go figure!

I don't like his music. I don't like the high fence hunts.

I think he is getting a bum rap because he supports our right to own firearms.

I don't think he is very smart and is his own worst enemy.

I also think he made some stupid choices when he was young.

I hope he can find a way to make his point without making hunters or gun owners look bad.

He's like the celebrity we never really wanted being our spokesperson. I for one think he's just out there. Way out there. Left field over the wall and gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would support the cause of finding someone better to fill his shoes......NRA wake up we don't need him. We are not all wackos

While the Nuge does plenty of things that rub me the wrong way I think he's getting a pretty bad rap on this one. What he did was technically wrong, but it was really more of a technicallity than him going out and deliberately poaching. Obviously he wasn't aware he was in the wrong, because the whole incident was filmed and broadcast. I don't know how many of you have looked at the Alaska hunting regs, but they are extremely long, complex, and constantly changing. I read them religiously every year and I still find things I was unaware of. Don't forget that the media has an extreme liberal bias and they're more than happy to try and crucify anybody that's pro-hunting pro-second amendment, like Nugent. Ted pled guilty, he'll take his punishment and that's that.

How many of you have never inadvertantly broken a game law? Anybody that says they haven't, either hasn't done much hunting, or is about as believeable as somebody who says they've never driven over the speed limit. Bottom line is we all make mistakes.

you are right that you are responsible for your own actions. And if you screw up own up to it. And he did in both places.

Is he out there???? ABSOLUTLY but who else is going to be this big of an advocate. Should the guy have a filter on what he says, mabey. But alot of what he says we/outdoorsman agree with.

oh, and the father and son who poached animals for the record book. This guy shot a spike buck and put it on tv. And then he hit a bear found no blood and shot and killed one and put it on tv. Not even close to the same thing. There is a difference between making a mistake and poaching.

and again, I absolutly agree that not knowing the law is an excuse for breaking it but there are different levels of law breakers.

oh boy AK jeff, nicely put. But the last time I tried making a point about the average guy breaking the rules it turned into a ****storm.

+1 AK Jeff and WNYhunter!

We only know about the times he got caught.

Nugent pled guilty today:

http://newsminer.com/view/full_story...w_left_bullets

"I would never knowingly break any game laws," Nugent told the court. "I'm afraid I was blindsided by this, and I sincerely apologize to everyone for this."

Nugent told the court he wanted to make numerous PSAs to keep the interest level up, "so it's not just the same statement." Thompson said that would be fine, as long as the PSAs were approved before airing.


Seems to me like Ted's taking his punishment like a man, he apologized, and he's offering to do more than required as far as PSA's to spread the message.

Well of coursehe did, he wants everyone to see hoe repentant he is..........if he wasn't people would stop watching his TV shows and he'd lose money.
Peolpe would stop going to his canned hunts and he's lose money! It's all about the money with him, now he's had his butt spanked a couple of times maybe he'll wise up, but I doubt it!
Just because He fessed up is not a indicator of future performance.......this guys supposed to be a PROFESSINAL hunter he should be above question the most ethical one out there! Whether any of us others have broken the law is not the point, he should have done his home work better before going on that hunt and his friends most suredly knew the rules..........again ignorance of the law is no excuse.
I think that there just might be a pattern here and a penchant for bending the rules...he we'll just film it and then plead ignorance, otherwise why would we have filmed it???

+1. I think as a professional, you need to be doing it better and cleaner than the next guy. As a pro, you have far less room for error. That means actually reading the regs - regardless how long or confusing they may seem - and asking questions if something is unclear. In the California incident, would it have been too difficult to find out that no baiting was allowed? That's hardly an obscure rule.

As far as doing the right thing and pleading guilty, I think the only reason he did so is because this is another strike for him and he knows it. After the fiasco in CA, where he was revoked for big game hunting, he knows he's using up his 9 lives. For example, when he got caught in CA, he essentially said the same thing: "I would never knowingly violate any wildlife laws...I embrace the hunting lifestyle" But if memory serves, he didn't actually admit guilt, though, pleading 'No Contest' instead.

I think he's only pleading guilty this time because he's trying to be conciliatory - not because he's showing any remorse. As for paying the fine, I seriously doubt there are any wildlife fine in existence that's going to put much of a crimp in this guys' finances.

To me, Ted is more interested in "embracing" whatever's best for Ted - not what's best for the "lifestyle," the sport, conservation, or other hunters.

Just my opinion

AK Jeff---I wouldn't have expected anything less from the guy! People can bad mouth him all they want and he's way to brash for my liking, but when all is said and done, I'd still rather have him on my side of the hunting and shooting sports than have to deal with him as an anti!!! Case closed as far as I'm concerned!

Wouldn't it be better if he wasn't either one?

If we spent more time & efforts supporting each other against the anti's; we'd be a lot further along.

Let Ted be Ted, and each of us can make our own decisions that is best for each of us !

Ted is on national TV. We aren't. It's a bit different.

The anti's are what they are. They are going to feel just the same no matter what we do or who speaks for us. The people to be concerned about are the huge middle ground of folks out there that do not hunt but yet are not Greenpeace or PETA members either. Why should they concern you? Because they out number us hunters and the anti's combined. And despite not hunting themselves they vote on issues and for politicians that will affect your ability to hunt in this country. I have talked to many of them over the years and have yet to find one that liked Ted Nugent. Not everyone in the hunting community likes Ted and the only people who do like Ted are people who are already firmly in our camp to start with. In other words he draws "NO ONE" to our side that wasn't already there and actively drives the middle ground folks away.

That is why I take every opportunity to tell people that Ted is not my chosen leader or advocate. I have never voted for the man to be anything for me. And I wish that hunting and firearms related organizations would stop giving him honorary positions just because he has a little celebrity status from being in a decent rock band 3 or 4 decades ago.

He acts like a classless redneck goober. Every time I have ever paused for a moment on his show he was shooting some semi-domesticated animal in a pen at the Y&O ranch. He runs a canned hunt operation himself. He is establishing a pattern of violating game laws. Yes, he has only been written up twice but I have heard descriptions of other instances where he should have been and simply was allowed to slide . Probably because of his celebrity status. He's a draft dodger. He has had sex with a very underage girl. A deadbeat dad that refused to pay child support. Ever read one of his books and made note of some of the unethical behavior mentioned in them? Claims of shooting at Bison hundreds of yards away with a 9mm pistol just to list one.

I could go on and on. You guys like who you want, but in my opinion you have to drop your standards pretty low to idolize this guy.

Wow, you guys are pretty harsh on the Motorcity Madman. I'll stick with Colorado Cajun and NorthWoods. I'd rather have him on my side then the other side. The NRA must think he's a good spokesman or he wouldn't be on their board.

Muley,

I think you missed my point; I don't care one way or another about Ted.

His actions have no reflection on me (nor do any of anyone elses decisions).

I live my life by my own moral compass (I don't make the laws, I do try to live by them though) !

"If we spent more time & efforts supporting each other against the anti's; we'd be a lot further along."



"..........idolize this guy." Todd

What ???

my thoughts . . .
 

Hunters,

I have been following this thread and it has caused me to think alot about Ted and his show.

I record and watch Ted weekly.

And what I have to say is not about his convictions or politics, rather about his show and his methods.

Let's compare Ted to several other hunting shows, OK?

Let's say . . . oh, Tred Barta.

I used to watch Tred and be entertained by his skills as a hunter . . . and many times he came away empty-handed, but I was not (as a viewer).

Ted's show, more often than not, is about killing.

Seems the major percentage of his episodes are comprised of him in a blind over bait killing incoming game.

I am personally much more entertained by watching a hunter "hunt" his game than I am watching a hunter keep watch over a pile of bait.

Now, please do not get me wrong.

In a New York minute I would be sitting on a black bear bait if I had the opportunity and money.

But in a New York second I'd be spotting and stalking on foot along an Alaskan coastline like I have watched Tred do.

I ain't puttin' Ted down.

But his show doesn't have the sense of hunting that other shows have, most of the time.

Even Ted has been known to say if fishing with bait and baiting game where it is allowed are both legal, where is the immorality?

But as I said, my topic is not about his morals, convictions, or politics.

Nonetheless, I still and will watch him every week.

Ever thought about it?


Rmocarsky