How does that work?

I would seriously like to know just how to talk to someone into forfeiting the use of what they consider a significant lynchpin in their hunting strategy once the season is already underway.

Is that before or after you seperate them from their rifle? Does it work well when there is a group of them and just one of you? Is their anyway to repair your loss of a 1st season, opening morning set up advantage as you switch from being a hunter (well positioned, hiked in at 3:00am to be there an hour before sunrise) to then being a traffic cop with no legal authority?

Good luck,
EKM

BeaverJack
Do you play this so called summer sport yourself?[:@]
If you do, I would like to talk with you? I am a federal agent with the NWS. I am stationed in Montana. I could make a special trip your way just to talk with & arrest you if I need to?

Just so you know my handle " wolf killer" is a oxymoron. The NWS is working with the NPS on the re-introduction & delisting of the " ever popular" wolf.

Wolf scat,
If you knew me good, or even if you jus' been readin' what I write reglar, you' d know I was bein' my ever-lovin' sarcastic self in response to the " live and let live" crowd thet chew up ground ever day with those infernal motorized easy chairs. All this " a small percent ruins things" talk is hogwash. Mos' the ATVers are selfish thrill seekers that got no respect for anythin' I cherish. Maybe they ain' t on this site, but yall are foolin' yerselfs by thinkin' its a minority.

If it were up to me, yes, I' d have public areas walk in only.

Take a good hard look at your hunting lives. You choose rifle with high powered scopes, compound bows and inline muzzleloaders because they are easier, scent lock because its easier, mechanical broadheads because its easier ... ATV' s because it easier - see a pattern here ? I think theres a lot lost when things become easier. I am not saying put away your tree stands or go back to hunting without camo and shooting self bows ... but on the subject of ATV' s yes, I think they are highly abused on public grounds and short of actually being handicapped I' d like to see them on the same roads as trucks and nowhere else.

BTW, easier does not make it " better" by any stretch.

Normal,
Domestic bison are genetically impure. The purest form of the species exists in Yellowstone, where there are 3000. As much as a third of the herd has been slaughtered by Montana. Cattle genes are found in all domestic bison herds, and even if you count those animals, its a fly speck compared to the herds that existed to the appalachians at one time. Hell yeah, lets kill off the last pure form of the species so we can graze our cows on public land without running the risk of them contracting bruesellosis, which started in cattle to begin with!

Most people I ever met from Wyoming were self-centered idgits that couldn' t spell their way out of a paper bag. If you have a major problem with idiots on ATV' s maybe that tells you something about the gene pool in your neck of the woods. At least thats my response to ignorant stereotyping.

Zelazny so how do you get to your camp? I mean what at the National Forest entrance theres a big parking lot where you park your truck? Get real man, might as well make it all wilderness. I don' t like cigarette smoke so I don' t smoke but that doesn' t mean they should be banned just to accomodate me. I will never be for taking away freedoms. Regulation yes, but not taking freedom.

Its sad to hear stories like EKM' s but as a responsible ATV user I can count 10 responsible users for every one idiot that I personally know. Like anything you just don' t notice the good ones cause they don' t draw attention. If you have a major problem in your area I think you should fight back but banning isn' t the answer. If thats your answer then you have no rescourse when they take your guns and hunting licenses. Why? As no has argued there are stupid hunters as well that hurt that rest of us. Right?

EKM-What was that about? I' m not playin cop in the woods and bet I climb and hike as much as you or better. I ride very little and the times I' ll call someone out is if I' m set up on water at dawn or dusk and the dumb sit comes riding around like there isnt a hunting season on. I am always out of the rack by 3:00 and walking to my spots. I' m a bowhunter but I still think you have every right to rifle hunt just like I think atv use is all right when done with courtesy. I think that ethics and courtesy should be the rule and I will be your best freind if I run into you on a hunt and you need help. If someone is the opposite and ruins my hunt you can bet they will talk it out with me. Have a good season.

It is another symptom of todays culture. Everybody is mememe and few people stop to think of the impact their actions will have on others. Lack of respect for the rights and opportunities of others.

Things are definitely different these days.
15 years ago I used to park at the end of this closed logging road before first light. If I was the first one there I would have the road to myself to walk out and hunt. Other folks would keep on going and find a new spot.
I went and hunted that road again last year. I got there an hour before first light and was sitting there waiting, about to get out of the truck. One truck pulled in and parked behind me and then another. So I grabbed me gear and headed out the road. When I got back to my truck at the end of the day after hunting at the end of the road there were 10 trucks parked behind mine and I had run into every one of those guys hunting out on that road.

Two years ago I had hiked 4 hours in the dark up a drainage with no trail to be in position at first light to glass the basin at the top.
Well the sun came up and just at first light I started hearing shots, some yahoo had ridden in from the top on a horse and was walking the top of the ridge shooting down into the basin at rocks. He must have shot up a whole box of shells in the next two hours. When I finally caught up to the guy and asked him what the ____ he was doing I was pretty mad. It was a long walk back out of there.

Two years ago I was bear hunting and a couple younger guys asked if I had seen any cow elk. I had so I showed them exactly where they would see elk if they sat and waited in the evening, I also told them exactly where I would be hunting bears the next morning figuring they would honor my area.
The next morning I see them hiking up the hill into the area I told them to wait to hunt in the evening and sure as heck two hours later here they come walking right down through the canyon I was glassing for bears in.

I' m sure everybody on here has stories just like these and worse.

The atv' s are not the problem it is just another area where lack of respect for other people rights and opportunities is causing problems.

Glenn, wasn' t meaning to get personal; I debated whether to write it up with " you" or with " one" -- in any case, I just couldn' t see how others, including myself, were going to make the " talk thing" work to fix the problem -- especially once the hunt is on -- too late then. So let me restate it a little differently:

I assume this was being proposed to the rest of us as a viable solution on how to handle problem ATV' ers. How does one make that work?

How does one talk the " guilty party" into changing their ways and forfeiting the use of what they consider a significant lynchpin in their hunting strategy once the season is already underway. I' m figuring you are talking about an old fashioned " butt chewing" so....

Is that before or after one manages to seperate them from their rifle? Would it work well when there is two or more of them and one is alone? Is there anyway to repair one' s loss of a 1st season, opening morning set up advantage as one finds himself switching from being a hunter (well positioned, hiked in at 3:00am to be there an hour before sunrise) to finding one' s self attempting to be a traffic cop with no legal authority?

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So, there it is. If there is some way what you are proposing can make this ATV problem predominantly go away before the season starts so we don' t have to deal with it, then I' d love to fully understand it.

As far as your being able to out climb and out hike me, I' m betting there is a fair chance that you could! I suffer my share (love it) each elk season and its not getting easier; never claimed to be an iron man and I imagine I would benefit MORE from using an ATV than yourself (given your superb conditioning), BUT I won' t do it -- there are other people out there trying to get their game and whether I' ve got mine yet or not and I won' t go out there on an ATV and " step" on them.

Never Go Undergunned,
EKM

Here is how the senario goes.
Freh snow on the mountain,you cut fresh elk sign on your way to your hunting spot.
Stop and get out and start out after them,you go a hundred yards and you hear,rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR and they blow by like knights heading for war.[:@][:@][:@]

I HATE 4-WHEELERS,in the summer and in the designated areas thats fine,but they are not made for hunting,or a replacement for good old fashion hunt' in skill.(There are exceptions to this,the guys&gals that need them to get around cause of ailments.)