Glenn, wasn' t meaning to get personal; I debated whether to write it up with " you" or with " one" -- in any case, I just couldn' t see how others, including myself, were going to make the " talk thing" work to fix the problem -- especially once the hunt is on -- too late then. So let me restate it a little differently:

I assume this was being proposed to the rest of us as a viable solution on how to handle problem ATV' ers. How does one make that work?

How does one talk the " guilty party" into changing their ways and forfeiting the use of what they consider a significant lynchpin in their hunting strategy once the season is already underway. I' m figuring you are talking about an old fashioned " butt chewing" so....

Is that before or after one manages to seperate them from their rifle? Would it work well when there is two or more of them and one is alone? Is there anyway to repair one' s loss of a 1st season, opening morning set up advantage as one finds himself switching from being a hunter (well positioned, hiked in at 3:00am to be there an hour before sunrise) to finding one' s self attempting to be a traffic cop with no legal authority?

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So, there it is. If there is some way what you are proposing can make this ATV problem predominantly go away before the season starts so we don' t have to deal with it, then I' d love to fully understand it.

As far as your being able to out climb and out hike me, I' m betting there is a fair chance that you could! I suffer my share (love it) each elk season and its not getting easier; never claimed to be an iron man and I imagine I would benefit MORE from using an ATV than yourself (given your superb conditioning), BUT I won' t do it -- there are other people out there trying to get their game and whether I' ve got mine yet or not and I won' t go out there on an ATV and " step" on them.

Never Go Undergunned,
EKM