BowElkDwn 'n Elknut, I'm one wit out de collage edcation but I know from hard years o' huntin' that overall 30/30s 'n elk is a bad mix! I been followerin' this here thred with my dictionary 'n best I can figure you boys been fed 1 bad arsed can of arse whoop! I'd jus give it up fer yur to fer behind.

I firmly believe in the line, "it's not how much bang you got but knowing how to use the bang you got". If I had to look in my safe for an elk gun over the 3030 I would choose a 12 gauge shotgun, shooting 385 grain Winchester sabot slugs,has same range restrictions as the 3030 but with substantial more energy at all ranges

EKM:
I for one can appreciate the respect that you talk about with these animals. I love to hunt. I love hunting elk, but I don't particularly enjoy the killin' part. There is nothing that wrenches my gut more than wounding an animal an it don't die quick. Elk, deer and any other game animal deserve the cleanest kill that can had. If that means taking more gun then so be it.

Life begins where the pavement ends!

Lets look at this,
a 30-30 requires a level of skill to use effectivly that would be hard for even an experienced hunter to obtain and maintain, making the 30-30 an "unstable" elk rifle at best. If it wasn't, more people would use it.

Now other than knowing how to tame the recoil on the 375, it requires much less skill (and luck) than a 30-30 to use effectivly. An ammount that can be obtained by the average hunter. Illiminating more variables in shot placement as in you can go for the shoulder, and/or at a longer range, basicly it will preform very well if you hit an elk anywhere in the vitals at any decent range where as a 30-30 can not. This makes the 375 an exteamly stable, overall good choice for elk.

You guys didn't need me to tell you that the 375 is better for elk than a 30-30 is. What I am showing by this comaprison is, that if you are going to use a rifle, then why not use a good reliable one? A 30-30 will work. Like BJ said so would a slingshot (they make slingshots for big game). That doesn't make it a good choice. And there are just so many things (variables) that can go wrong with using a marginal caliber like a 30-30 that it makes it a bad choice for elk.

So for the average hunter,
30-30 + elk = Bad choice (at least not a good one)
375H&H + elk = Good reliable choice.



"Hey ya'll, watch this"

Edited by - Kodiakhuntmaster on 01/26/2003 18:40:06

It's half time in the super bowl so I thought I would come and write a little something. I just wanted to say if anyone would come up to me and ask me what gun they should use for elk hunting I certainly wouldn't tell them to run out and buy a 30-30. I was just simply replying because I happened to have experience with that particular gun and thought I would give my 2 cents. As for me bashing on all gun hunters I wasn't trying to do that. I hunt with a gun some years and it can be exciting too. I did have fun arguing with you though, we'll have to do it again.
BowElkDwn

Ouch! This............ should be interesting! Son, have you ever heard of shooting yourself in the foot? We don't get signed confessions very often, made a copy just so I could have it framed!

Never undergunned,
EKM

Good judgment comes from bad experience! Half of elk hunting is knowing what NOT to do!

No, he'd never advise anybody to hunt elk with a 30-30 but he'll post it on a board where 5 million pink-arses can see it an' figur thet whitetail gun their daddy left 'em in the closet will be fine if they wanna spring for a over-the-counter tag in Colorady an' try their hand at Wapiti. Ever time a feller tells me a huntin' story an' says he "don't know how me missed that shot", I cringe thinkin' thet he probly didn't miss, jus' too ignorant to know he was unnergunned an' left a gut shot elk out there for somebody to find next year. Ever notice how the fellers with the puny calibers seem to miss a lot? Saw one ol' boy with a 243 shoot a bull, an' when the bull walked back into the trees, he declared he musta missed clean an' wanted to go git lunch afor looking for another chance. I found the bull 500 yards away an' put him down with a killin' shot from my 45-70. Lots of them fellers roamin' the hills nowadays.

BJ

I've watched this thread since it's inception. I did not post on the subject as I've never even shot a 30-30 or ever seen a real live elk!

But!!!
EKM I liked your post at first. I thought I had found someone with a lot of expierience to gain useful info from. Now you act like the god of elk hunting and we are supposed to believe everything you say.
This is 2003! We have running water and street lights now.
Your trying to tell somebody his gun ain't worth a **** just because new one's have been invented.

And what's this Bull**** score thing your made up???? huh???

You want to impress somebody, talk about you expieriences and not about what "Joe should do".

Iallays wunnerd y yourn an blojobs and whoevert mulekisser's is post alays faller ech udin'

You have a computer and are obviosly long winded and contrary to popular belief, amazingly very expierienced.

TELL US!!! WE WANT TO LEARN!!!

Just don't feed us BS and think we'll listen.

Good Luck. Capt Brad.

CB, I believe that Elkamp wasn't tring to act like the god of elk hunting. The topic just had gotten "heated" and people were singling him out because he was the most vocal one on the topic. Then a truce was called.





"Hey ya'll, watch this"

Sorry about that, I must have had a few to many to drink last night during the super bowl and wasn't thinking straght. I have had success with a 30-30 and am not scared to use it again. It might not be the gun for everyone but it does work. For those that do pack around the 30 pound gun because they are scared of wounding an animal, TO EACH HIS OWN! You can still wound them just as easy. Take a 30-30 and shoot an elk through the guts and take a 375 and shoot them in the same spot. Good luck finding either of them. I was wondering do you actually shoot the animal or just beat it to death with that club. It might just be easier to roll down your window and use that as a rest.
If I had to make a choice for a good rifle for elk I would pick the 7mm. For those that feel they need bigger there is a saying for them that ends with, they're just compensating for something. In your case accuracy or the lack to get in close.
Shoot what you have confidence in!
BowElkDwn