When are people going to learn!
03-29-2007, 06:41 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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When are people going to learn!
GUNNISON COUNTY MEN FINED FOR ILLEGAL KILLING OF ELK
Two Gunnison County men who killed at least two elk illegally will pay $2,700 in fines and could lose their Colorado hunting privileges.
The elk were killed in Gunnison County about halfway between Lake City and the town of Gunnison during the third week of November in 2006.
In a plea bargain, Larry McGraw, 49, of Gunnison paid $1,988, was assessed 30 penalty points against his hunting privileges and forfeited his rifle. Thomas McGraw, 21, of Crested Butte, admitted guilt to DOW officers, paid $616 and was assessed 35 penalty points.
Hunters can lose their license privileges if they accumulate 20 points or more. An administrative hearing will be held later this year to determine if the men will lose their ability to buy hunting and fishinglicenses.
A tip made to the Colorado Division of Wildlife from other hunters in the area led to the charges.
“The hunters who told us about the suspicious activity in the area truly care about Colorado’s wildlife,” said J Wenum, area wildlife manager in Gunnison. “Without their report, we probably wouldn’t have caught these guys.”
According to the DOW incident report, the McGraws were sitting on a cliff when they spotted a herd of elk below them. The men started shooting indiscriminately – up to 30 shots were reportedly fired. They then went down and tagged and field dressed two cow elk. The men had cow tags for the area.
Unfortunately, their careless shooting resulted in several other elk being hit.
Observant hunters nearby heard the gunfire and contacted the DOW. When wildlife officers arrived on the scene they found a dead 5x5 bull that had been shot.
“The guys who fired all these shots walked right by the bull, they just let it go to waste,” Wenum said.
Besides the dead bull, DOW officers found blood trails that indicated that five or six other animals had been shot. Officers also tracked and spotted a wounded calf. Two days later they found a cow that had died of wounds.
Based on witness descriptions and license information, DOW officers located the men the next day in Gunnison and Crested Butte.
“The witnesses provided the wildlife officers with excellent, detailed information,” Wenum said.
Thomas McGraw was issued a citation and was charged with failing to care for edible portions of a game animal; failing to attempt to locate and take possession of injured wildlife; and hunting without a fluorescent garment. He paid his fine a week after receiving the citation.
Larry McGraw, through a plea bargain with the district attorney’s office, pled guilty to unlawfully taking a 5X5 bull elk and failing to care for and provide for the human consumption of edible portions of elk. He was also required to give up a family heirloom - a .284 caliber rifle to the DOW. The gun will be destroyed. He will also make a $200 donation to Operation Game Thief.
Wenum explained that hunters are responsible for choosing targets and shooting carefully.
“When you’re in the field you must be certain of your target and what’s beyond it,” Wenum said. “If you shoot multiple times the odds increase that you’re going to shoot other animals. We stress that you should try for a one-shot kill.”
Wenum also said that hunters should not try to cover up mistakes they make in the field. Field dress all animals that have been killed, tag the animals properly and then report the incident to the DOW. A wildlife officer will go to the scene to investigate.
“We know that mistakes happen. If someone self reports and is sincerely apologetic we have a lot more discretion in the types of charges that we file,” Wenum said.
This case might have gone unnoticed if nearby hunters hadn’t made a report to the DOW. To report poaching or illegal activity related to wildlife, call Operation Game Thief at 1-877-265-6648. Reports can be made anonymously and rewards may be offered.
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The Colorado Division of Wildlife is the state agency responsible for managing wildlife and its habitat, as well as providing wildlife related recreation. The Division is funded through hunting and fishing license fees, federal grants and Colorado Lottery proceeds through Great Outdoors Colorado.
Two Gunnison County men who killed at least two elk illegally will pay $2,700 in fines and could lose their Colorado hunting privileges.
The elk were killed in Gunnison County about halfway between Lake City and the town of Gunnison during the third week of November in 2006.
In a plea bargain, Larry McGraw, 49, of Gunnison paid $1,988, was assessed 30 penalty points against his hunting privileges and forfeited his rifle. Thomas McGraw, 21, of Crested Butte, admitted guilt to DOW officers, paid $616 and was assessed 35 penalty points.
Hunters can lose their license privileges if they accumulate 20 points or more. An administrative hearing will be held later this year to determine if the men will lose their ability to buy hunting and fishinglicenses.
A tip made to the Colorado Division of Wildlife from other hunters in the area led to the charges.
“The hunters who told us about the suspicious activity in the area truly care about Colorado’s wildlife,” said J Wenum, area wildlife manager in Gunnison. “Without their report, we probably wouldn’t have caught these guys.”
According to the DOW incident report, the McGraws were sitting on a cliff when they spotted a herd of elk below them. The men started shooting indiscriminately – up to 30 shots were reportedly fired. They then went down and tagged and field dressed two cow elk. The men had cow tags for the area.
Unfortunately, their careless shooting resulted in several other elk being hit.
Observant hunters nearby heard the gunfire and contacted the DOW. When wildlife officers arrived on the scene they found a dead 5x5 bull that had been shot.
“The guys who fired all these shots walked right by the bull, they just let it go to waste,” Wenum said.
Besides the dead bull, DOW officers found blood trails that indicated that five or six other animals had been shot. Officers also tracked and spotted a wounded calf. Two days later they found a cow that had died of wounds.
Based on witness descriptions and license information, DOW officers located the men the next day in Gunnison and Crested Butte.
“The witnesses provided the wildlife officers with excellent, detailed information,” Wenum said.
Thomas McGraw was issued a citation and was charged with failing to care for edible portions of a game animal; failing to attempt to locate and take possession of injured wildlife; and hunting without a fluorescent garment. He paid his fine a week after receiving the citation.
Larry McGraw, through a plea bargain with the district attorney’s office, pled guilty to unlawfully taking a 5X5 bull elk and failing to care for and provide for the human consumption of edible portions of elk. He was also required to give up a family heirloom - a .284 caliber rifle to the DOW. The gun will be destroyed. He will also make a $200 donation to Operation Game Thief.
Wenum explained that hunters are responsible for choosing targets and shooting carefully.
“When you’re in the field you must be certain of your target and what’s beyond it,” Wenum said. “If you shoot multiple times the odds increase that you’re going to shoot other animals. We stress that you should try for a one-shot kill.”
Wenum also said that hunters should not try to cover up mistakes they make in the field. Field dress all animals that have been killed, tag the animals properly and then report the incident to the DOW. A wildlife officer will go to the scene to investigate.
“We know that mistakes happen. If someone self reports and is sincerely apologetic we have a lot more discretion in the types of charges that we file,” Wenum said.
This case might have gone unnoticed if nearby hunters hadn’t made a report to the DOW. To report poaching or illegal activity related to wildlife, call Operation Game Thief at 1-877-265-6648. Reports can be made anonymously and rewards may be offered.
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The Colorado Division of Wildlife is the state agency responsible for managing wildlife and its habitat, as well as providing wildlife related recreation. The Division is funded through hunting and fishing license fees, federal grants and Colorado Lottery proceeds through Great Outdoors Colorado.
03-29-2007, 10:05 AM
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RE: When are people going to learn!
We are the eyes and ears of the local authorities when we're in the field.
O still don't think the penalties (nationwide) fit the crime. They need more deterent. Like jail time, fines, hunting bans for LIFE!
I guess there are more big game taken by poachers every year than licensed hunters.
O still don't think the penalties (nationwide) fit the crime. They need more deterent. Like jail time, fines, hunting bans for LIFE!
I guess there are more big game taken by poachers every year than licensed hunters.
03-29-2007, 01:38 PM
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Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Tennessee
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RE: When are people going to learn!
I think jail time would be a good thing to have, but not losing hunting priviledges for life all over the nation, that's too much.
Don't you think having your gun gather dust for 3 years is going to make you want to be more careful next time?
Let's say a kid shoots a turkey, and realizes he forgot his hunter's safety card at home, do you think he should be kept from hunting for his whole life that's in front of him? If you start handing out these kinds of measures, you'll end up having people wrongly have their hunting priviledges taken away for life.
Sure, take their gun, send them for a little jail, and a fat fine, with hunting priviledges gone for 2-3 years, but not a 10-year sentence, no hunting for the rest of your life, and never being able to purchase a firearm.
That's the moment we need torealize, it's just an animal.
Do you think a poacher is going to think $2,700.00 is worth shooting an animal you'll not get to keep? I don't think so, though I think a little jail time wouldn't hurt those guys too much.
Don't you think having your gun gather dust for 3 years is going to make you want to be more careful next time?
Let's say a kid shoots a turkey, and realizes he forgot his hunter's safety card at home, do you think he should be kept from hunting for his whole life that's in front of him? If you start handing out these kinds of measures, you'll end up having people wrongly have their hunting priviledges taken away for life.
Sure, take their gun, send them for a little jail, and a fat fine, with hunting priviledges gone for 2-3 years, but not a 10-year sentence, no hunting for the rest of your life, and never being able to purchase a firearm.
That's the moment we need torealize, it's just an animal.
Do you think a poacher is going to think $2,700.00 is worth shooting an animal you'll not get to keep? I don't think so, though I think a little jail time wouldn't hurt those guys too much.
03-29-2007, 06:33 PM
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Typical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Red Deer AB
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RE: When are people going to learn!
ORIGINAL: younggun243
I think jail time would be a good thing to have, but not losing hunting priviledges for life all over the nation, that's too much.
Don't you think having your gun gather dust for 3 years is going to make you want to be more careful next time?
Let's say a kid shoots a turkey, and realizes he forgot his hunter's safety card at home, do you think he should be kept from hunting for his whole life that's in front of him? If you start handing out these kinds of measures, you'll end up having people wrongly have their hunting priviledges taken away for life.
Sure, take their gun, send them for a little jail, and a fat fine, with hunting priviledges gone for 2-3 years, but not a 10-year sentence, no hunting for the rest of your life, and never being able to purchase a firearm.
That's the moment we need torealize, it's just an animal.
Do you think a poacher is going to think $2,700.00 is worth shooting an animal you'll not get to keep? I don't think so, though I think a little jail time wouldn't hurt those guys too much.
I think jail time would be a good thing to have, but not losing hunting priviledges for life all over the nation, that's too much.
Don't you think having your gun gather dust for 3 years is going to make you want to be more careful next time?
Let's say a kid shoots a turkey, and realizes he forgot his hunter's safety card at home, do you think he should be kept from hunting for his whole life that's in front of him? If you start handing out these kinds of measures, you'll end up having people wrongly have their hunting priviledges taken away for life.
Sure, take their gun, send them for a little jail, and a fat fine, with hunting priviledges gone for 2-3 years, but not a 10-year sentence, no hunting for the rest of your life, and never being able to purchase a firearm.
That's the moment we need torealize, it's just an animal.
Do you think a poacher is going to think $2,700.00 is worth shooting an animal you'll not get to keep? I don't think so, though I think a little jail time wouldn't hurt those guys too much.
03-29-2007, 07:06 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Montana
Posts: 586
RE: When are people going to learn!
These guys can ruin everybody else's hunting with their actions. Losing hunting privileges for life is exactly the right sentence. The question was "When will people learn?" They won't if thepenalties are too light.
If ahunter forgets his card or a hunter takes a few careful shots and hits the wrong animal, that is a mistake that should result in a small penalty. This was no mistake.
If ahunter forgets his card or a hunter takes a few careful shots and hits the wrong animal, that is a mistake that should result in a small penalty. This was no mistake.
03-30-2007, 03:14 PM
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Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 4,264
RE: When are people going to learn!
How is spending three weeks in a prison, a $15,000 fine, and no hunting priviledges for 3 years a light sentence? Do you think he's going to go out and shoot animal when it costs $15,000 to do it? Even if he's so rich he can't think, three weeks in jail would mean humiliation.
Hunting priviledges for life is way too hard, 60 years, and no hunting liscense. That's too much.
Hunting priviledges for life is way too hard, 60 years, and no hunting liscense. That's too much.
04-22-2007, 08:19 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Bossier City, LA
Posts: 159
RE: When are people going to learn!
These jerks knew what they were doing. They don't have any respect for game laws or wildlife preservation. This affects all of us. The actions they took give you a deep look into thier moral character and how they will always act. A lifetime ban from hunting for these particular hunters is very appropriate.
