I would agree with rockfish, a Rem 1100 in 20ga 2 3/4 to 3",or a 870 in the same gauge with the upland style stock.It quicker ,and its more right on when you throw up due to stock design.It has a straight grip. This is what i bought my wife. She never shot any gun in her whole llife,and went to the international trap and skeet range,and after some instruction from myself to her,right out of the gate she shot 17 out of 25. Its a good choice ,for trap and skeet,or in the field. vangunsmith