well bodacious i am w/ you 100 % i'm not saying it is for young hunters or beginners. but if you have taken several deer what is the big deel w/ killing a 4 pt. why not take a doe or 2 and wait on a mature buck regardless of the amount of point. you will never get it through some peoples heads though they will keep going out and killing 3-4 4pts and passing on does to tell everybody they killed x # of bucks. this discussion will never die and i am lucky that my lease practices QDM. if you break the rules you are fined 250$