I am not trying to stirr the pot anymore, but I understand where EKM is comming from. I believe his up most concern is for the elk. He has seen with his own eyes too many hunters wound elk, shooting marginal elk rifles loaded with deer bullets. An good example of this is my dad, he is mostly a mulie deer hunter, but he does hunt elk from time to time. My father assumed and still does that because he is shooting a 7mm Rem then an elk will just tip over no matter what bullet comes out the barrel. He killed his first bull elk (5x5 bull) in 1976 only 4 years after he moved here to Idaho from nothern Cal. I was only 2 years old at the time, and that is honestly my first memory of anything in my life. I remember seeing the elk loaded into the back of his truck come into camp. I was at ahh and amazed, I caught the elk bug then and their and its never left me. Anyway my dad shot that bull with my mothers 30-06, his 7mm which was only a year old at the time was jammed because he was shooting a friends reload. My dad had to shoot that bull 5 times with the 06 before it went down, he was so excited that he also missed it 6 times. I think he was shooting 150 grain corelocks and not a single one passed through the elk. The bull was only 80 yards away and was crossing a backcountry Idaho logging road in central Idaho that my father was traveling on. It would be almost another 10 years before my dad killed a elk again. His next elk was a cow that he did kill with his 7mm, that cow took 3 shots and he didn't miss that time but only a single bullet went through. He shooting and still does today, [:@]cheap 150 grain bullest.[:@] In 1985 my dad invited an older man (Bruse) to come deer hunting with us, he became like a second grandpa to me. Bruse was a gun nut, collector and seller at gun shows and had many guns numbering in the 100;s. EKM you would have like him. Bruse came deer hunting with us every year until his death in 1992. Anyway Bruse tired to set my dad strait (like I still do) and teach him about elk rifles and bullet. His favorite elk rifle was the .375 H&H and a fast .300 was a close second. He only shot Nosler Partitions at elk in what ever rifle he was using for the year, or day. Because of him I learned to shoot big rifles and handle recoil. My dad bought me, (to Bruses dissaproval) a .270 for my 12 birthday. I can still remember them arguing over the camp fire about a .270 for elk, when I was suppose to be sleeping. My dad was saying that if .270 could kill a big muile buck it could surly kill and elk. Hmm sounds familure doesn't it. I did kill my first elk with that gun a spike bull, and I was standing besides Bruse not my father. I used that gun and at 14 I bought with Bruse's advice, a .300 WBY. My father thought I was crazy, but then again he thought I was crazy for taking up bowhunting the following year. As time has passed my father seeing my succes with my bow no longer thinks I am crazy. But he does tell me that if I can kill a 6x6 bull elk with my bow that he can kill it with 7mm shooing 150 grain corelocks. [:@] Last year when I bought my .300 RUM he tried to talk me out of it. Telling me why do you want such a big gun when for the last 12 years you have bowhunted and most of those years you have killed elk with your bow. My dad just doesn't get it and trust me I have tired. He doesn't reload and I have offered to reload for him, but he always wants the cheapes bullets he can find. Even last year he tired to find remingotn corelock bullet to reload here in town. Luckly he has not lost an elk yet, he keeps shooting until they are down and he is a good shot when they are on the run so that helps. But then again he has not killed many elk overall he only goes elk hunting when he draws a elk tag in his deer hunting area which is about one every three years. That way he can still hunt deer in his favorite area as well. I think I have killed more with my bow than he has all together. My point to all of this a lot of hunters are like my father, and EKM knows the type and is just trying to help them, and the elk out. I agree dead is dead, but if I have to track it to where it died I better have my bow in hand not my rifle!