EKM you brought up something else I forgot to mention in my last post. Bringing down a cow, spike, or even a small raghorn is a whole different ball game. We put elk into one category and in reality we should when talking what round to use because you never know what you'll have in front of you. Now I sure someone here has killed or know's someone who has killed a big bull with a .270. But I'm also guessing that there is more than a few people here praising the .270 that have only dumped a cow or small bull not realizing that a big bull is a different beast altogether.