Hehehe. First off.....I am 30 years old, so that does not consitute as a "old timer" secondly if you choose to make idiotic statements please have data to back them up, such as.......I own both and and would choose one over the other because...etc. I have made an educated, informed opinion based on hours of varmit hunting with each of the calibers mentioned....how bout you?? As usual someone comes on here bashed one caliber over the other, and has no idea what their talking about. Maybe if you listened to what the "old timers" on here had to say, you may learn something. But judging by your post count, I would say you are here to be heard not learn, so do whatcha gotta do.