EKM Yes I have been useing a 45-70 of late , Mainly because I now spend most of my time in the timber and there is little need for a scope or anything that is for 100 yds + , I have Killed Elk with 270 win, 30-06 358 norma and 375 H&H . I have had to help track more Elk down do to poor shooting by big bore shooters who have PPS because that are recoil shy.

Why is a 270 OK for ladies and kid but's not grown men.

I do respect you views on most things but this is not one of them.