Not really to sure where your heading with that question ekm or if your going through mid life crisis or what? People come on here because they have a legitamate question in asking and some really don't know and thats why they ask. I never responded to that thread because I could see the hand writing on the wall a long time ago. You can only state your own experience here as well as I do mine and hope that you can help someone along the way, but thats where I end it. I"ll state my opinion on the subject and no matter whats said, someone has done it better, you ain't going to change there mind because thats the way they have always done it. I'm not going to waste my breathe in arguing with someone who doesn't know what the hell the're talking about, just because they happened to get a cow elk, that makes them an expert in the field of elk hunting. Give me a freakinbreak. [:@] Bobby