dspell ther may have been some confuseion in our conversation the other night i was talking about the asa unlimited class (pins like mbr) being 50yrd max, the MBR is still 45 i belive, sorry for the misuderstanding if it came from me, but i do agree with ya on ther needs to be some clarification for shooters, im not going so it wont affect me but i definately see where you are coming from