I'm glad I read this post from you and Big Country. I checked out the website for No Excuse bullets and I'm ordering a box to try. I'm going to shoot them from both my Ruger 77/50 and the "El-Cheapo" Navy Arms Country Boy with its "made in China" barrel starting out with 75 grains of Black Mag3. I'll let you know how they fly when I get them. You can't beat how trustworthy the guy is with him sending you his product before you even pay for it. I've been using Buffalo 285 grain bullets from my 45 smokepoles for years now and I'm curious to see how well these No Excuse bullets will load in 50 caliber. I can't say the Buffalo bullets have been easy to load like these No Excuses say they will do so if they fly good for me in 50, then I'll have to try some in my 45's, too.