I have saved up some mad money for a new bow. Ain't it funny how when the new models come out you can always get mad for no reason. I have shot both of these bows and really like them. It seems to me that the ultratec is a little smoother all around, but I like them both. Maybe it is the little longer limbs on the ultra. I was wondering if anyone owning these bows could give me some feedback to help me make my decision? I will use it mostly for hunting, and some 3d as well. I have been told that despite the catalog claims, the ultratec is a little faster than the vtec. Has anyone experienced this. When I shot the bows, I did not shoot through the chronograph. I currently own a 2004 xtec, and it is a sweet shooter. Also, instead of starting a new thread I will just add on here. I have been shooting carbon express 3d selects for about 3 years now, but hear alot of good claims on the goldtips. Carbons have when through the roof price wise, and I was looking into these arrows. I remember when they first came out their was an abrasion problem with the goldtips, and was wondering if this is still an issue? Tell me what arrows you like and why. I would appreciate your replies on my questions about the bows and arrow choices. Thank you.