Jollyarcher, glad to hear your "voice". I went to the old link that you posted in this thread and I printed that out last August (or so) to try when I got my new bow/setup. I was bound and determined to set this new bow up without a peep. Sounds as if I need to put a kisser button on there as a reference point though. My setup is currently without one. I'll get it figured out...it's just going to take a bit of time...and some nice weather on a weekend here in Central IL...man, it's been drury.