that would be a dead bird.....but the pattern from my #4s look alot more holy.....ill do a count next time i pattern....but i drew a wanna be neck and head and got something like 65 hits where i want my pattern to be centerd......i got some tinkering to do.....but the pattern you got was my old pattern with most loads....the federals did well in my gun i think....ill let you guys know upon more shooting.....