Good info. Here i Kansas where I live there are really no regulations on them b/c there are so darn many of them. I go to Kansas State U. and the other day i was driving about 20 miles nw of here and it was raining. I bet I saw 3 or 4 different groups of 50-60 birds. It is really crazy how many birds there are around here. I have a diaphragm call of my dads and a box call of his also. I will try to get good with these two, since i already have them. Just short cluckin kinds of noises I guess. Thankx again