Champlain....I spend enough time in the north woods to have my opinions and to have seen more than my share. I make part of my living in the woods. And when I tell you that alot of vermonters are jackin deer up there, I mean it. When a guy is going home at first light after a long night trackin in the dark, I have a problem with it. When truckloads do it, there is a problem with it. I'm just letting you guys know what my and others experiences have taught us. Obviously, not all vermonters do it....but more than enough do. I couldn't care less if they kill every deer in vermont. I hunted there once, and will never go back. i PASSED UP A 4 POINT ON MY FIRST NIGHT, and when someone at the store asked me how my hunt was going and I told them about passing the 4 point, everyone in the store looked at me like I had 3 heads. A couple guys even commented that you don't pass up deer here. I'm glad that you are all proud of your state....stay there. Cuz next there won't be a big buck to be found in Maine. The truth is the truth. And yes, your state is known in the northeast as being chock full of poachers...sorry to be the one to break the bad news to ya.