no arguement there popeye, i just felt it was my "duty" to inform him of the recoil. I can see it now, he goes out and buys a 25-06 and a 460 wby, goes to the range shoots the 25 and thinks "man that was nice" then he loads up the 460 and after 1 shot (and several stitches) picks the weatherby off the ground and says "what the he// did I buy that for"