And do you like them? I am trying to decide what arrow to go with, for my new bow. The Pro shop owner who is selling me my bow is trying to persuade me to try and buy Easton Axis, or the new Beman Black Max Camo. I told him I wanted a heavier arrow than normal even with the carbons. The thing that worries me is that both types of arrows are very skinny. I tried shooting and switching to carbons in 1997 that were pencil thin skinny. They were called Super Pro Carbons, I not sure who made them maybe Easton? Anyway I hated them they were very hard to tune with a broadhead, and they were too light for my liking. I was planning to shooting Gold Tips, and still might but I want to explore and learn all my options. Any experience or info about the Axis or Black Max is appreciated, thanks.