your right I have run into great problems obtaining land for both deer and waterfowl hunting. I'm tryin to focus on deer hunting right now, since I always enter the lottery at Augustine beach for waterfowl. I haven't hunted any of the industrail forest lands. I hunted Blackbird forest this past gun season and it was a sea of orange. It wasn't the best of times, kinda left a bad taste towards public land. I have 3 hunters very interested in aquiring a lease for deer. Plan on knocking on alot of doors after the season ends and welcome those who would like to join me.