Kit I know its more money but TRUST me its worth it. Get a .660 Nitro and check with Nitro as he has a load SPECIALLY made for 835 Ulti's. Even the item number designates it too the Ulti's. Ray has spent ALOT of time with those guns as they were the first and then only 3.5s around for awhile.

REALLY do check on this before you spend one dime on anything else!
RA