Wing, Im one state over, in NY. Its the same set up here, only the guys who do allow permission are all starting to lease the land, something we all saw coming ten years ago. Many have different ways of doing what they feel is managing. Finding land to hunt is harder each season. Also, NY states DEC wants to really thin out the numbers, but because of so many areas being off-limits to hunting, theyre allowing hunters to literally scour the land they can hunt, to drastically lower numbers. It seems they use an average as a median for a deer count, rather than look at areas individually. The glory days of 90% success rates looks to be a thing of the past here. I still recall those seasons when it seemed more like 40% rates. Oh well, with less interest in hunting, and fewer deer, at least we will see some hogs...