dohcrxl that is the problem they are that nocternal. the same thing happened to me here in mn couldnt see them nothing but there was always tracks there. so one full moon night after a fresh snow i stayed out the after shooting hours but when u could still see man you should have seen the deer they were everywhere. still there is no use in going out to the stand before 4pm there is just nothing moving till dark. find there bedding area and try pushing them to your partner