im going to have to shoot a few of these big bad guys.....i shoot a 3inch mag out of my 870 express mag turkey gun.....lightest smallest gun i ever shot.....and it isnt bad at all...21 inch barrel.....and its just a tiny gun...synthetic hollow stock....its LIGHT....and isnt bad at all.....i can shoot it comfortably......maybe i like recoil to much? i have shot my friends 338 ultra mag and kept asking for more shells because i liked the noise it made...lol.....ill shoot my dad 835 this spring and see....