zerx i think u the one that doesent know anything. a 30. cal rifle has way more hitting power then a pea shooter of a 243. were always talkin about ethical kills i wouldnt say a 243. kills a deer ethical my uncle shot manys of deer with a 243 and and most the time the bullti just goes clean threw because its so small and goes too fast u should read up more on this b4 go critizisig slayer he right the 308 and 30-06 are real guns. shot a deer with my 308 last week and looks like a cannon hit the front shoulder

think b4 u speak zerx