it seems useless even talking to you about it in your narrowminded thinking. i actually do more wild bird hunting than preserves, it just heats me up when tunnel visioned hunters come on these boards and make it sound like people who use preserves are the bottom of the barrel hunters and those that don't, have something over those of us that do. if you don't like it fine, but i see no sense in cutting down those that do, not everybody can drive your so called thousands of miles looking for a place to hunt. if you cannot see where some people are coming from on this, then you most likely never will.