I agree that we have to rely on the PGC for the numbers, but knowing how they estimate those numbers through deer density, radio tracking, herd dispersal, breeding predictions and monitoring, and good old-fashioned counting I feel the estimates are pretty accurate. I've been hunting here for the last 20 years and the herd is bigger now than its ever been. We still see tons of deer spotlighting, many more than 10 years ago, and see plenty of deer hunting. There are many hunters that may not see deer in the same spots they had in the past, but that doesn't mean deer aren't in the woods. Patterns are changing and we need to change with them to be effective hunters.