I understand your disappointment BigWay. I used a Sit and Climb in the past and it was just too uncomfortable for me. I went with the Summit Viper and IMO it is a better stand. I can set it up much quicker in the dark, with practice you can climb quietly and there is no comparison in comfort. I also found that the Summit actually grips the tree as well or better than the Lone Wolf. The only advantage to the Lone Wolf is that it packs in and out of the woods a little better than the Summit.