A friend of mine uses the ball-et, it'll shoot minute of deer out of his. He doesn't shoot much and is happy with it. He could probably get it to shoot better, but working up loads don't interest him that much when it comes to his muzzleloader. I use the 325gr. REAL bullet out of mine to deer hunt. It's a go-getter, all it cost is a little time because I mold my own and my lead is free.