dang red callin my 835 a pinto, i'm just glad i got an sbe, but all kidden aside i've only shot a few bps's and i think there a fine gun, in fact when i retired my a-5 belgium made 12, i thought about the bps, but my pocket book said 835, then my wife suprised me with the sbe later, red me and my pinto will be over to see you in a little bit, i'll be driving my pintare