I noticed recently that both Dick's and Bass Pro had both the Rem. 710 package and the Savage 111 clip package on sale. Of course they both came complete with mounted up scopes. The Savage was $20 cheaper. The Savage takes it hands down as far as I'm concerned. The fact that you can get about twice as much rifle for $20 less makes me wonder why anyone would even consider the Rem. 710. [X(][8D]