Same thing being said here Kshunter. In N.W. Missouri, they say the herd is down too, but, thats not what I am seeing. And it is not what some of my buddies are saying either. By the way, I miseed on a nice doe the last day of the season here. Would of been nice to have her in the freezer along with helping the herd! I actually got into an arguement the other day at work with some guy trying to tell me that killing does is the reason that we don't have any decent bucks to shoot around here! STUPID!