With my Rem 700 ML I can shoot .5 inch groups with FF 777 or FFF 777 with musket cap. With the 209 primer the groups grow to 1.5".
I have shot the loose clean shot and love it. Clean up is a snap.
My group moves up 4.5 inches when I use the musket cap.
I want to use the sticks for hunting ease of use.

Thanks
KB