I have hunted the catskills for about 10 years. Mostly in sullivan county 3k. Before the 2002 winter There were so many deer that I use to jump them when I walked 50 yards into the woods. After the 02 winter I would have to say the herd was cut in at least half. If not by more. I am not saying that there are no deer around. The hunting will for sure be tougher. With less sightings as with last year. If the DEC was doing there job in 02-03 they would have forcasted It before the 03 hunting season. They gave out just as many doe permits as the 02 season witch hurt the herd even more. Someone in the DEC is not doing there job and just collecting data after the hunting season[:@] They are 2 years behind in forcasting witch tells me that most of there data is an account of what hunters did the previous year. Somone should tell them to get off there a$$ and get into the wood and see what's really happening.