You do hear it just about everywhere. At work, in a Kmart, at camp.... there are very few people I know who support the current deer plan, anymore. And I believe I have read a few comments in that regard here on this ole' messageboard as well. And by the way, most are not 'anti' as you put it. They were just sitting the fence waiting for something substantial to be delivered, and when it dawned on them that this plan is mediocre at best and just a different version of deer management with a lot less quantity.....they began to balk.

Its a smaller herd with less hunters taking home buck. No one I have talked with stopped me in mid sentence and said "oh, but I'm excited about seeing less and having our camp take less".

No, the everyday Joe Hunter is not thrilled with todays deer herd. but as you said there are a small group of sportswriters and to a degree sportsmans groups who depend on thier bootlicking with the PGC to get stories and favors so they are nigh to publicly say what they really think.

On some websites you can be censored or restricted by moderators for asking any tough questions about the program. This one seems a little more open to discussion, but not all are. And since they are not public, but private and can censor at will we have no good barometer of public attitude on the subject today as we speak.

Now surely you can pause in your name calling for a few moments and recall that at the PGC meetings in Harrisburg there were quite a few who spoke at the podium negatively of the deer plan. I know one of them and he ain't no member of no sportsmans group. if you were there you would remember him as an owner of a sporting goods shop who soke passionately about how the majority of hunters who come in his shop do not like the antler restrictions, the herd reduction in areas where it is not needed, and that older hunters are having a very hard time finding deer since the plan went into effect. He described how many people he spoke to did NOT like the plan and it made him drive down to Harrisburg.

So in summary, you are just trying to make a villan out of a concerned sportsmans group. How low is that? to try and make it sound like only one group is concerned? Where I come from we equate that Dan Rather-esqe behavior with the shallow end of the hunting community gene pool.

try to rise above petty villification and and join the rest of us in civil, honest discussion. If you want to manufacture falsehoods, like 'Unified is the only group who speaks out against the deer program' then you probably want to go to www.cbsnews.com


no, there were quite a few individuals from Union County, Snyder County and all over at the meeting I attend who spoke about thier disagreement with the current program. And I think rational people know that. And they remember the groups who testified that the PGC should "ignore" hunters unfounded concerns. And of course we all remember the DCNR employees, Pinchot foundation members and bughuggers who testified that hunters opinions should not matter to the PGC.

Yes, WE REMEMBER.

So far Dr. Alts plan has failed to produce much of anything. He says the herd is bigger than ever....but our buck harvests have dropped three years in a row. The novelty of shooting 4 does has worn off and now its dawning on most guys that less deer REALLY equals less deer.

The PGC is giving you less, so timber companies can have more. Doesn't it feel good?