hey if you don't care about AR, then you are pretty easy to please. But a lot of guys aren't just worried about what they want they worry about what is good for ALL hunters in pa. And of course as you already know when you combine herd reduction with AR as the carrot, then tens of thousands of hunters go home with no antlered deer and they get a doe as a consolation prize. But how long will that last before populations drop. (You won't know though because according to the state they will be saying we have more deer than ever and we are up to 1.9million)

Look to Arkansas this season. Bowhunter magazine says the DNR now estimates thier herd at 700,000 deer down from 1 million two years ago. They have shortened thier seasons and reigned in thier bag limits. Not making everyone happy in a state that has AR/HR for OVER 5 years. So you can say that just a few years is not enough, but when other states demonstrate what AR/HR will do to bring you a smaller herd...then your just not paying attention! And they don't have junior hunters undermining thier AR either, so in pa it will be worse than in Ark. because we allow sub AR bucks to be taken. Did you notice though that Pa does not readily report those stats on thier web site??

And it seems you are at odds with the current deer program if you are trying to limit hunters in SGL's and state forests. The PGC and DCNR are giving incentives for hunters to hunt on public lands. Plenty of tags and easy access, for SGL and SF and on SF they have given you DMAP to boot!

You probably did not realize that according to the PGC, DMAP "focuses hunting where it is needed most" and 90% of dmap enrolled lands are PUBLIC. So ther you go we needed to get deer off public lands most!?!

Big WMU's give the locusts the best ability to roam the country side and eliminate the brown menace. Gots' to have BIG wmu's if you want to 'balance the herd with the habitat'.

and remember the 'survey' that the PGC did thru a university (Cornell?) never mentioned AR. AR was not even on the table when that study was done.

According to talking heads, hunters want a smaller herd.

Well, they are getting it.