put the bullet right in the head.......they wont take a step......unless you miss!.......i never heard of the shoulder shot till watching it on a lightfield commercial......i couldnt figure out why all the deer dropped like rocks when they were hitting them there.......looked like lung shots gone bad to me........but they were dropping like bricks.........looks like a shot i need to learn.......i dont want my deer going far at all because of other hunters.........i had a doe make it 30yds with a perfect heart shot this year......and i get there and theres a guy standing there......he says MAN i was about to pull the trigger when she fell over...did you shoot her? i was like no you must have magic powers and killed her with your brain power.......big ole hole straight thrhough her....blood pouring everywhere....running into trees and falling down the whole way.....and he was going to shot her........for the bone crushing shot is say a good bonded bullet would work best.....failsafe.....trophy bonded bear claw.....something tough that will stay together when you hit the bone.....i killed a few deer with HPBT sieeras.....one i did bust a leg....and i dont know what happend to the bullet after that........but it didnt kill him....he made it 40 yards with me and dad right on his tail.......and we had to finish him......sure he would have died there where he laid.....i just made it quicker......look at this site...i found it interesting.....it was posted here before.... http://www.seahook.com/bestbullet.jpg ....it shows all kinds of diffrent bullets at diffrent velocitys and how they retained weight..penetrated....and pics of what was recoverd......pick one of hte ones in one piece at your range and you should be good to go.......good luck........