Glad you like em' Cayugad! Lots of folks including ML book authors, Doc White's group in Africa.. even the new Knight Triple Shock bullets look like a copper-clad Buffalo S.S.B... only in a different dress. I got Maxiball to try em' around a year ago & now he raves about em'. Buffalo needs to do a better job promoting these bullets cuz' they;re sure hard to find in most ML stores.