Dude there is no freakin way that deer scores that much (rack-attack"s) sure it has long beams and lots of points but there is no tine length do you have a side ways picture i would sure like to see that because that deer does not even look like a 170 class deer to me and i have seen plenty of em. But in regard to that second deer WOW nicve buck unbelievable MASS thats a bruiser