Very good points guys, but both the scopes are idenical as they have a range finder on it that you dial it in as it gives you a close proxcimity (sp?) as to what the distance is. With a 50mm lense its dang clear. Wow talk about seeing the light. Skeeter I am not sure what type or model they are as I be heading down that area later in the week and I'll find out as well as that link you provided. Much appreciated. I think maybe making a good inspection on the used one then I'll make my decision. I still have enough time to be selective at this stage. Thanks, Bobby