Thanks again everyone for the input! Like I said, I started shooting a .300 WBY at age 14. But I always used factory ammo, with nosler partitions in the .300 WBY with great results. On a side note I am working up a load right now for my ultra mag using the nosler 180 gr. accubond. But anyway back to the subject I just have to somehow convince Jim that he realy needs a quality bullet. I am so used to giving people advice with archery hunting and the products that come with that sport. That it should be easy to give advice with guns and bullets. But in no way am I even close to a expert with rifles/guns. My biggest problem is Jim's boss is a rifle hunter and claims to have killed everything under the sun with different calibers using factory Rem corelocks. I think I will give Jim some hunting mags/articles on this subject and let him learn from it himself.