The venting made me feel slightly better, but it doesnt change my new predicament

Kev, in new jersey it is probably alot harder to find these smaller public lands than Indiana. I understand what you are saying though..but its almost impossible to just walk up to someone who has a few acres without them cursing you off their property never mind ask permission to hunt it. I've tried public ground and a lot of it and I can I honestly say there was always a crowd. If I could find a situation like you stated I would be elated to save thousands of dollars and still get quality hunts in. I think I might move to indiana