Thanks ARDeerslayer(and everyone else), the 2 or 3 inch groups I was shooting was at 20 yrds, Thats about the size of a tennis ball. I heard a coupple people saying that is very accurate shooting. It's accepitable to me but not super. Iv'e heard guys say hitting a pie plate at 20 is good enough well I don't think so. I am going to shoot some more and see how things go. I haven't shot for 3 or 4 months and I am rusty I can get 2 or 3 arrows tight and then have a wild flyer. Once I get consistant I'll go into the tuneing process again. I hope I can get this squared away come fall. Thanks again Jim