Pro-line/cfdjay, You two sound a little negative as far as leases! My dad and some of our friends own 40 acres of adjoining land, with established permanent camps. We had been there since 92 and the other group since 83. There are about 30 of us and we had hunted the surrounding 2000 acres of Mead paper. Then Mead decided to lease most of its land. Adjoining property owners were to have first choice to lease. Well some guy leased it and we lossed out. But he sub-leased it to us with him. We've never seen him, but pay our portion of the lease to him. The only choice we had was to lease or give up hunting this area. Its impossible to sell and start over. We've never kicked anyone off of the land and the locals aren't happy either with Mead. This is on the Vinton/Jackson CTY border. Just a different point of view...