ok, i know i will catch hell for this... first bird ever, 53 yards, dropped in his tracks. kept them close after that except for this year. with a rangefinder after the fact, first bird dropped at 43 yards. 1 minute later, second one fell at around 47, both dead when i got to them. i shoot an mossberg 835, undertaker choke( old style, i guess it is). winchester supreme's HV, 3.5's, #4. never patterned the gun.