PABowhntr, I got exactly what you were saying, I know it was toung-in-cheek. I like to think i've seen just about every argument for or against feathers and vanes, their both good. I just felt the need for some reason to explain a little why I use feathers. No offense taken or implied, not trying to start a never ending battle. Which we all know this topic could easilly reach 3 or more pages in no time with the never ending debate of wich is Better, feathers or vanes