Thanks Charley... I tried some #4 Buckshot. I loaded 70 grains of Pyrodex RS and 70 grains worth of #4 Buck. Needless to day it was only 20 pellets for the load. I shot at a pepsi can at 25 yards and hit about five of them in the can at that distance. I noticed the pattern was spread out pretty good in the snow, so I will make some paper shot cups and see if I can not get them tighter. I am going over to a friends and get some plastic 20 gauge shot cups and some #6 shot and see what other loads I can make up.