well here's my take on the whole baiting thing. If thats what some(hunters) and I use that term losely, need to do to take a animal then well thats what they gotta do, but they wont ever hunt with me, for some reason I cant see sitting there over a five corse meal just waiting for some animal to come by to eat and then blam, it's all over, to me thats not hunting.JMO, it's kinda like leaning up against a tree fully camoed and taking a deer that is 400yrds away, the poor thing never had a chance. I myself perfer to hunt with a bow and a bow only. I will use a shotgun if it's the last week of hunting and I haven't got one yet, but I haven't had to buy shells in a few years. to each his own, do what you gotta do. And I would never pay for one of those I'll whip your butt hunts too packages..man I love hunting Stueben county......no baiting, no rifile, just good ol' huntin the way it was ment to be, you and the quarry, one on one